Jim Snedeker But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. September 25, 2013 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. 6'1", 170???? He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. April 23, 2003 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. Bob P Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Jim Snedeker GoMets2006 Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Peter October 13, 2008 October 4, 2006 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Raymond Malcuit He started 45 games and completed 29. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. October 19, 2011 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? PONTIAC, Mich. The daughter of former Detroit Tigers pitcher Mickey Lolich has been placed on three years' probation for stealing $70,000 in coins and jewelry--including her father's 1968. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. Raymond Malcuit Jr. July 15, 2016 June 2, 2006 Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Bob P Scrappy Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Scripps to his son , W.J. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. November 28, 2001 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. August 11, 2015 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Ken Akerman Did you boo him or make fun out of him? You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". April 6, 2012 Mickey loved his Harley. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. May 24, 2002 October 4, 2006 Logan Swanson In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. He says he has only one regret over his abbreviated football career"I wish I'd made more money. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. May 9, 2002 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the August 11, 2015 And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. "Never bothers me," Lolich says, smiling. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. January 12, 2011 Lolich was a fine pitcher. Mickey liked his doughnuts. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Ken Akerman November 19, 2002 Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Given his sugary surroundings for the past 12 years, that's quite a feat. He pitched very good ball for you. So why did you try to destroy the guy? Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Learn How rich is He in this year and how He spends money? Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Michael Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. 6'1", 170???? Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Max Power Mets history broken down into ten-year chunks! Shari That would make him a star in today's market. Jim Snedeker Mike B He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. This figure has only been beaten by three other left-handed pitchers in the years since Lolich set the Major League record. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Man, he was a big one. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Watch. body would be a pretty slender person. I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? May 6, 2003 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. I still have it somewhere. October 18, 2008 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Jim Snedeker I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. October 19, 2011 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. October 4, 2006 He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. bob saunders That would make him a star in today's market. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He later resurfaced with the Padres. September 24, 2005 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. June 11, 2003 He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. March 2, 2003 April 24, 2003 Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. December 13, 2007 I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. September 25, 2013 Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Fattest guy ever to grace a Mets uniform I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. September 25, 2013 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. 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