After I was stabilized, the boomer cleared me into the contact position. Despite these difficulties, we began to taxi. All we wanted to do was tell him we wanted the French out! And the Officer Effectiveness Report (OER) of the guy leading our flight would be written by the DO. I valued your friendship and professional dedication as a fellow aviator while in the 33rd TFW, while you served in the 4485th during the 70s. Peering over Scottys shoulders into the front seat, I could see we were done for. May God continue to bless you, Joe. I rest easy at night because of people like you. In 1980 and 81, the McDonnell Douglas Plant in Tulsa, Oklahoma was remanufacturing F-4 fighters for the Air Force. The eight-engine bomber was brought down by a North Vietnamese surface-to-air missile. Scotty gave me the airplane and I climbed out at 350 knots until it came time to find the tanker on the radar. Energy Management Clich or Exactitude? Since 366thTFW maintenance was overtaxed having to do all of its around-the-clock 24/7 functions, the flight leader had to turn down two airplanes before he found one that was combat ready and airworthy. First loss: 560937 (476th TFS, 497th TFW) shot down by enemy ground fire during CAS mission near Tri Dao, Vietnam, on 29 June 1965, pilot Capt. So why were we going in anyway? I cried like a baby. The author, during training on the F-4 Phantom. Im still honored to have flown a 10 day trip with you around Asia with FedEx. I had breakfast with 1stLt. Galand Kramer at the Danang Officers Open Mess, the DOOM Club, so appropriately named for those of us flying into the teeth of North Vietnams AAA, missile and MiG air defenses. I imagined the instrument of death: a bullet, a knife, a shovel, hammer, pick, axe At that moment, I felt a long, cool piece of steel slide between my throat and my helmet strap. But I did not. Thank you for your bravery and endurance. By now it has been a long while since the conflict in Viet Nam. We beneficiaries need to know the experiences, sufferings, challenges, life and death, victories and miraculous acts of God in the lives of our fellow countrymen in war, especially from their own voice and pen before the stories are gone. A Shau Valley. Twenty-one aircraft carriers conducted 86 war cruises and operated 9,178 total days on the line in the Gulf of Tonkin. Section leader had one Dud flash by just as we started to Split S from Control Warning. A C-47 was the very first USAF aircraft lost in the SEA conflict, C-47B 44-76330 (315th Air Division) on TDY at. If I could ever slow down I might have time to write that book. Final loss: C-7B 62-12584 (483d TAW) which crashed in SVN on 13 January 1971, all 4 crewmen survived. Thank you for sharing. This room was known, unaffectionately, by all who suffered there as the room with the green, bumpy walls. Seated on a small, wooden stool, the interrogation began in the usual way with, Name, rank, serial number and date of birth. When I refused to reply to any further questions except by repeating my name, rank, serial number and date of birth, my interrogating officer, in a most sinister way, and in a very convincing manner said, Crecca, you will die in Vietnam. In a matter of minutes I was bound with ropes. I was too young for Nam, but spent 20 years in the Navy under the water. Its Memorial Day, 2020. Much aviation has occurred in the context of military service. A few of the men wore shoddy uniforms and were armed with old-looking, bolt-action rifles. Thank you, Mr. Crecca! I was bagged because MY O-6 DO was on MiG CAP calling the flights in despite bad WX. So glad that you made it back in one piece, and were able to continue flying. Takeoff in a heavily-loaded Phantom requires some explanation. Outwardly grateful to Jesus Christ above all and to our United States military service members is the way of life I choose to live and pass on to my children. The only USAF officers who could rise to strategic ranks were from Strategic Air Command (nuke bombers) and a very few from Air Defense Command. Thank you President Nixon for my life and my freedom. They would persistently be trying to attack me while the militia men unemotionally fended them off. Thank you sir for your service. How many a4 Skyhawks were shot down in Vietnam? The story of an immortal pilot who fought on biplanes against the Japanese in the 1930s in China, but also shot down American jets not only in the Korean but also in the Vietnam War. In closing, I assert that Joe did not have the option you recommend. The direct hit had felt like wed had a collision with a fully-loaded cement truck. A story that is the most gripping, truly horrifying and of sacrifices. I was concentrating on Scotty and my eyes were focused only on him. I wish I could have expressed my thanks to your Elder Eagle for successfully completing his mission to spring me out of jail. Our airplane flew out of the fireball with orange flames and thick, black smoke trailing from the wings, fuselage and tail. Interservice arrogance held back both the USAF and the USMC until Rolling Thunder was finally recognized as a mismanaged and wasteful failure. Just then, the crew chief, SSgt. They were taken to a hospital to be evaluated, but they lived. The tale I heard was that at the time the 480th TFS shot down our 4th & 5th MiG-21s only eight of them had been bagged by anyone else anywhere. By my count I was about the 335thPOW to walk up onto the stage to shake hands with the President. He took off the next several days. What? At this point I could only pray he would revive by the time he reached the ground. While I never got above the Cessna 180 stage of flying, I hold you and your fellow pilots in the highest esteem. The U.S records showing 5,607 helicopter losses[2]. "Kos" and "Daily Kos" are registered trademarks of Kos Media, LLC. And Ill salute only with that nickname fondly given him by my children, our Elder Eagle, who flew Linebacker BUFFS, along with numerous other often difficult taskings, during his 28 years in USAF. The time was 1151. How far did he go on in the Air Force? 31 DEC 71. This description of your combat experience and captivity is the first time Ive heard it and that only adds to my admiration for you, Joe. I lost all feeling in my arms very rapidly. You willingly took huge risks, knowing that that mission could be your last. After that we had our individual flight briefings. I turned that down, and promptly got drafted into the USArmy 31 days later! Binh Duong Province. When Maj. "Jump" Myers' plane crashed in flames, there was no chance of rescue - yet Bernie Fisher defied the odds and brought him out alive. Lasted almost two weeks on the island before a Japanese sniper gave him his ticket off the island. Although thank you is not enough, I do thank you for your service. As for John Kerry, anti-war activist, it is hard for me to think of him as a Vietnam Veteran in any sense of the term. A lifelong non-smoker who was on a never-ending mission to convince people not to smoke, my father did eventually tell me of a scared Marine, who, early during the battle for Iwo Jima, asked my father to sit with him in a shallow bomb crater and smoke a cigarette. Very sadly, according to the DOD, 1,616 of our brothers are still missing in S.E. The process of lifting the American air pirate and dropping him (me) face first onto the floor went on for over an hour. 83rd Arty 101ABN DIVARTY Joe. Joe Crecca would spend more than six years in various prison camps. April 16, 1968 : C-130A 56-0480, c/n 3088, of the 35th Tactical Airlift Squadron, crash landed at Special Forces Camp Bunard, 80 kilometers north of Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. As a nation I believe we learned the difference between necessary disagreement with our leaders, and needless, disrespectful persecution of and confrontation with our soldiers, who are/were following orders. Asia. I was at a loss for words. At Tulsa TRACON, I would have lumped him in with any group you could think of that wouldnt give a damn about anyonehow wrong that lumping would have been. Glad to see you made it home, I remember that in 1972, 3, 4 & 5 most of America was oblivious to the fact that there was still a war going on & had moved on. Spent the day with Tom and Scottys brother Mark. Ive raised all my children to, regardless of whether one agrees with our government or not, we as U.S. citizens always owe a debt of gratitude to those who signed that contract to protect our lives with risk to theirs. A well? Scotty hadnt regained consciousness. Your story sheds much light on what his experiences must have been like. Republic F-105 Thunderchief. Here is how I replied to another anti-war zealot two years ago, 2/17/2017 in the AFJ Comments section: War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A C-47 was the very first USAF aircraft lost in the SEA conflict, C-47B 44-76330 (315th Air Division) on TDY at Vientiane, Laos which was shot down by the Pathet Lao on 23 March 1961 killing 7 of the 8 crewmen. Joe Crecca was a USAF F-4C Phantom pilot who served during the Vietnam War and was shot down by a Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) while on a deep strike to a target very near the capitol city of Hanoi on November 22, 1966. Galand himself would be shot down two months later. bombs and eight Air-to-Air Missiles while I inspected the Phantom. Theyd blow up in midair, before they ever got to the runway. Its a real shame but they ruined a perfectly good pair of nearly new, highly-polished USAF flying boots with zippers; they cut right through the damn zippers! Thank you for your expressions of gratitude, sir. Don Ward, came up to me and said words that someone in operations never, ever hears from anybody in maintenance. "You were right in the enemy's face with a. You who kept the supplies coming to us were a vital part of the war effort. They did not want to lose their Skin in this deadly game while other Americans bravely went to war. There were pictures in the Tulsa World of the damage one of the ejection seats did to a womans newly-remodeled bathroom. The man who had less than an hour ago cautioned me against premature ejection had ejected. Thanks for the details of this mission. Sobering reading for every American ! I saw 3 aircraft in front of me, so I asked lead to flash his lights. Soviet General Fesenko, the main Soviet adviser to the North Vietnamese Air Force in 1972, recorded 34 MiG-21s destroyed in 1972. The four-foot stabilizing chute was severed, my lap belt was opened and the butt snapper straps straightened, booting me out of the seat while simultaneously pulling the ripcord that would deploy my parachute. Wonderful story. This fighter aircraft, flown by various pilots, was credited for 14 kills during the Vietnam War. He had the smoke trail spotted and wanted revenge. At first it seemed to be right below me. Before I could muse over any more unhappy endings, I was dropped onto the floor. And Mr. Crecca, again, I thank you. Thanks for your story, Joe. Theyd be shot up to hell. I am grateful to him for that, beyond measure. The Vietnam Years. You and your fellow POWs were and are the best of this nation. SP4 John C. Hughes [G] 1 injured. Shot down. At least 68 people were killed Sunday when an aircraft went down near the city of Pokhara in central Nepal, a government official said, the country's deadliest plane crash in more than 30 years. ), Ways to get involved in the 2022 Election. It was you who were suffering in the oppressive heat & humidity. You were a great morale boost when we needed it the most. Scotty compensated nicely and kept us in formation while I was continually checking six. During the left, 270 degree turn, the flight leader must have been having problems with his navigation system because he asked if our own nav equipment was operating normally, saying, Dogwood 2, hows your inertial?. Hopefully you have not seen this magnificent video I recently came across, and for a man in love with flight like you proved, I hope it will bring back nothing but happy memories https://vimeo.com/199142621 . Lonely feeling for a pilot over enemy territory. First loss: C-123B 56-4370 attached to the 464th TAW which came down on an, First loss: C-130A 57-0475 (817th Troop Carrier Squadron, 6315th Operations Group) on 24 April 1965, a. The other Marine brought a lit match to the cigarette hed placed in his mouth, and as soon as he did, ZING, a bullet went through the Marines helmet and skull. Daily Kos moves in solidarity with the Black community. Using first-hand accounts from diary entries, letters, and family stories, Snyder revives experiences that are accessible and relevant both to historians and readers with a casual interest in . SGT Sam Tenorio [G] 2 injured. Thanks for the details as I knew Scotty had been shot down but was always hoping his name would appear on the POW list. Both Fire and Overheat lights were illuminated and all the amber and red indicators on the telelight panel by Scottys right knee were lit. My arms were tied behind my back with the elbows laced tightly together. Thanks, again, for your story many more years of good health & happiness to you. You should be ashamed of yourself! Burning American aircraft at Bien Hoa Air Base in 1965. The flight call sign was Dogwood and we were number 2. Our Motto YOU YELL, WE SHELL LIKE HELL, OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY. I went down to about 125 in the winter of 1968. Pair of scanning Navy A-6s. They were deeply felt. Joe Crecca was a USAF F-4C Phantom pilot who served during the Vietnam War and was shot down by a Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) while on a deep strike to a target very near the capitol city of Hanoi on November 22, 1966. Did a Korea tour also when enlisted. Thank you for sharing this. He did this all without missing a beat. The Navy had it right (mostly) in equipping, training and tailoring tactical air assets. Days later the main cabin section washed on the beach, a short distance south of Chu Lai. Besides your contributions in F-4s, your time supporting other unfortunates in Hanoi does you honor. From the refueling track exit over northern Thailand, our route took us over northern Laos and into North Vietnam. Joe, thanks for sharing and honoring Scotty. Just as we were positioning ourselves for the right-hand turn at Bravo, the lead aircraft unexpectedly turned to the left. Good or bad we all contributed and finally got the job done.May all our brothers and sisters that made the ultimate sacrifice, rest in peace. Crecca/Wilson International would be my recommendation in honor of a deceased F4 pilot and a 6 year POW since the F4 was the most numerous of Vietnam War aircraft casualties. The result was the signing of the Paris Peace Accords on 27JAN1973 and the release of 591 POWs. Source for F-4 losses is Phantom with U.S. Marine Corps (Joe Baugher), others are unsourced, Production of a total of 380 Mohawks ended in December 1970. Richard Armstrong. Global Security, "A War too Long: The USAF in Southeast Asia 19611975", http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/virtual_disk_library/index.cgi/1025775/FID1977/NAVY/Chap_3.pdf, USMC HELO LOSSES(19621973) by aircraft type, "The OV-1 Mohawk Remembered Firsthand: Piloting the Mohawk in Vietnam", "SE Asia and Vietnam: Royal Australian Air Force", "Image Galleries 2009 - Department of Defence", " - - www.skywar.ru", U.S. Air-to-Air Victories during the Cold War, Wars in Yugoslavia, and Anti-Terror War, Widow travels to Vietnam after 40 years and finds her MIA husband's Marine Corps F-4 jet crash site in Que Son Mtns, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War&oldid=1133364112, First loss: A-1E 52-132465 (1st Air Commando Squadron [ACS], 34th Tactical Group [TG]) shot down during night training mission on 29 August 1964 near, Final loss: A-1H 52-139738 (1st Special Operations Squadron, 56th Special Operations Wing) which was shot down 28 September 1972 (pilot was rescued by an, First loss: 710310 (355th Tactical Fighter Squadron, 354th TFW) on 2 December 1972 shot down on a, Final loss: 700945 (354th TFW) shot down in Cambodia on 25 May 1973 (Capt Jeremiah Costello KIA), First loss: B-26B 44-35530 (Detachment 2A, 1st ACG) shot down in IV CTZ on the night of 45 November 1962, killing the 3 crew, Final loss: A-26A 64-17646 (609th SOS, 56th SOW) lost over Laos on the night of 78 July 1969, killing both crewmen, First loss: AC-119G 52-5907 (Det.1, 17th SOS, 14th SOW) which crashed on take-off from, Final loss: AC-119K 53-7826 (18th SOS, 56th SOW out of, First losses were operational (non-combat) mid-air collision 2 B-52F 57-0047 and 57-0179 (441st Bomb Squadron, 320th Bomb Wing), 18 June 1965, South China Sea during air refueling orbit, 8 of 12 crewmen killed, Final loss: B-52D 55-0056 (307th Bomb Wing Provisional) to SAM 4 January 1973, crew rescued from Gulf of Tonkin. Tried to cross-service in 64 or 65 to Army for WO pilot program, but because I was already in the military (being in a critical COMSEC AFSC probably didnt help), I was offered no guarantee of flight training, so I withdrew the request otherwise, I may have been one of your grateful students, or still buried in some shallow grave. via Vietnamese News Agency Photo via Bert Hester, www.preservingourhistory.com By Rebecca Grant AIR FORCE Magazine / February 2013 75 Fogleman became the only Super Sabre pilot ever rescued by riding out on a Cobra helicopter. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? . Got this forwarded in late 2017. I took one last look at the horizon. After 52 years, the remains of Air Force pilot Col. Roy Knight Jr., who was shot down in 1967 during the Vietnam War, have finally come home. I looked first into the rear-view mirrors and could see only orange flames and inky smoke. Then came the shock. I reached bingo, bingo minus 5, minus 10, minus 15, and reported to lead each time. I was an Air Traffic Controller at the Tulsa TRACON (tower and radar approach control) in January of 1981 when one of the check flights did not end well. back then. Just read this story about your mission over North Vietnam. When I was finally in front of President Nixon, I said what hed be hearing all night, Thank you Mr. President for bringing us home with honor. Then without missing a beat I said, And Im really sorry about that F-4. Having been a teenager in Vietnam years, I had a Vietnam map on my bedroom wall and marked bombing missions that Cronkite would report that night. The NVA never admitted to capturing them! Sign up for our free email newsletter, packed with tips, tricks and news for pilots. We can never let our politicians forget those lessons. Because the Director of Operations (DO) was leading a flight-of-four on MiG Cap hoping to shoot down a MiG. So Scotty did the same check with a roll to the right with the same result. At 0600, I awoke to the annoying buzzer of my Telechron alarm clock. My father was a Marine. I knew none of this before he died. Only loss: 51-15565 (432d Tactical Reconnaissance Wing) which crashed in Thailand 28 December 1966, both crewmen survived, Only loss: 63-13102 (5th SOS, 14th SOW) shot down 14 August 1969 near Bien Hoa, killing 1/Lt Roger Brown, Final loss: 600282 (38th ARRS) crashed Cam Ranh Bay 7 August 1969, crew rescued, Last losses: four CH-53s (68-10925, 10926, 10927, 701627, all from, C-1A 146016 (Composite Squadron Five VC-5), operational loss (non-combat) 8 August 1967, 3 passengers and 2 crew rescued, Final loss: C-1A 146054 (Carrier Air Wing 11, USS. Even at max takeoff weight, Scotty had to be careful not to exceed the landing gear limit airspeed of 250 knots with both afterburners cooking. Scotty then said over the radio to the leader, Dogwood 2 has a good inertial. 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