But you know, there may well be someone in this world that could say the same about any one of us. Even to this day, what makes HS so strong is that it kept on coming up. Robert, Robert, Robert, I'm really confused. Manson Mythos saidWhile the attorneys dropped the defense on the ground's they didn't want their clients to commit suicide, Fitzgerald at least voiced the opinion it would have been suicide for Manson as well, as it would have only proven Bugliosi's case rightWhere does he say that and how would it prove suicide for Charlie ? So WHY was Bugliosi and or the DA so obsessed with getting Charles Manson instead ?Bottom line question Robert; do you think Manson was guilty as charged or not ? Life With The Manson Family Los Angeles Public Library The Manson compound on Spahn Ranch. It would be like cutting Hitler slack.Still, I have seen in my life so so many others that I considered good folk pour a bunch of chemicals in their brains and take paths of destruction and violence. No other reason." And wherever she tripped up, she corrected herself somewhere later. He said he surmised it was the reason. Linda was instructed to go back to the front gate and stand guard while the others went into the residence. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? Manson Mythos saidVincent Bugliosi said the only reason Linda went along on those two nights, is because she was the only one out of the group with a valid driver's licenseHe never actually said that. But in saying that, he'd never wanted Susan in the first place {"we don't give that gal anything !"}. Let's save our sympathies only for those He deems good. She did drugs with her child and basically spent her whole life making sure that her child would have the most stressful and illegal life possible. Don't post that when I'm taking a drink of beer. The problem of course is that Bugliosi does not want that answer. But not every brain is wired the same - our neurotransmitters are just ridiculously different in everyone. You believe she was largely an accurate witness. But if he did use Helter Skleter to motivate the others to do the crimes for him, and those who actually did the killing- thought they were doing it in the name of Helter Skleter.Which is the real motive? For example where Manson Mythos said:while he [Charlie] is no angel, I don't think he is all bad.So he does have redeeming qualities and a good side as well I agree with him there. [STOP right here! That is just an elementary interpretation that most will have.But now, nearly fifty years later, allot of folk want to cut the girls a bit of slack - primarily because they all seem(ed) to have repented and become what most would call "nice people".But you don't find many, if any, willing to cut the two Charles any slack. Susan herself brought it up when speaking initially with Howard & Graham. Bugliosi did say that he had planned to question Susan later so who knows, it may have come up. Murder Cases of the Twentieth Century - Biographies and Bibliographies of 280 Convicted or Accused Killers, discrepancies between evidence and narrative, discrepancies between physical evidence and testimony, Manson Exposed A Reporter's 50 Year Journey into Madness and Murder, Manson Speaks: Inside the Mind of a Madman, MANSON The Live and Times of Charles Manson, movie review. You say Linda had some things going for her but her Mum recognizes that she was deficient in Linda's life, paying more attention to her siblings and not really being there for Linda at that critical point when someone who is in that vital crux between adolescence and young adulthood really needs a listening, tolerant but firm and experienced, caring and guiding hand; her stepfather, as many have found with theirs, doesn't appear to have played a valuable part in her life; she saw her actual Dad twice in 15 years. I don't care if it's ten seconds, ten minutes or an hour. That's what I mean by not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Could Watson Have Conspired With Suzan LaBerge??? I am not heartless. There is no online registration for the intro class Terms of usage & Conditions A trip to see the SS might have broken his case apart and make another witness (DeCarlo) useless. In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that pointAccording to his book, nothing said in the grand jury could be used against Atkins and nothing she said could be used against her co defendants. !STAY OUT OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST!! Then and there ? Linda probably came from a home where she was ignored, and didn't have much direction or discipline, hence her making extremely poor choices in life, even as recent as 1997. But kids were revered in the Family which made Tonya safer. WOW! As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. All the stuff we're interested in wasn't of such weighty consideration for a jury that wanted facts about who did what and why and were they guilty ?And there are times her testimony 'just don't make no sense'There were times when Kanarek's questions just made no sense ! We know very little of any consequence about what any of them were like or did prior to or after the murders ~ and to be honest, that's how it should be. How does Linda represent the "Human" side of the Manson story?? A young Linda, as per her friends, neighbours and teachers, was intelligent, kind and shy but starry-eyed romantic. That's the point lol. St Circumstance saidThis is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. The couple had a daughter named Tanya who was born in 1968. He wants Rudy Weber and the hose at 1:00 but most of all he wants Tim Ireland's description of the scream before 1:00. It must be time for a break. Try to make an impact, as you put it previously.But it could be so that in this particular instance, that witness is telling the truth. The price for everyone else was horrific. Bruce, Tex, Leslie, Susan, Pat, Clem and Bobby all in one way or another made something of their lives without imploding. And they all had a modicum of help. She chose to be the way she wasAround the age of 14, I chose to be the way I am and have been doing so ever since. Not because I'm being argumentative {after all, I am the current holder of the Consensusinidem award of the most pedantic know it all on the TLB blogs } but because I'm curious.Her background should have had a greater impact Well, during the 11 days she was grilled by the defence, we learn a lot of stuff about Linda Kasabian. The ones who actually did it and had to pay for it all say the same thing. In my opinion then and only then does the 'immunity' award begin to raise doubts in the minds of the jurors regarding her credibility. She admits to getting into the car and being struck by the body being there but the spirit not. var part1 = "david"; And what of the guy that prosecuted them ? At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. Hey, there are some similarities to Manson. MM, Thank you on the PK- I didn't recall her saying it was but didn't know.I think you have to be a bit careful. She mentioned to the Grand Jury that there were to be 2 death squads. Linda Darlene Kasabian (born Drouin; June 21, 1949) is a former member of the Manson Family. That the motive for these seven horrendous murders was not money, it was not burglary or robbery. Scared she wanted to drive away, but could not as her child was at the Spahn Ranch. She. Maybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do?? Reading through the court transcripts, what is often presented in HS as a dramatic moment is actually quite tame. Early Life. That is cover something up, replace it with something dramatic to help my caseI guess there's absolutely no possibility whatsoever that her story was true.Why would any lawyer not want to help their case ?Bug said Linda wasn't involved in any trouble prior to being at Spahn, yet he forgets she did admit to dealing drugs Did he actually say that ? I don't like that Martin Luther King was supposedly caught on tape cheating on his wife but even if true, it wouldn't invalidate some of the good things he did. Linda Kasabian, born in Biddeford, Maine on June 21, 1949, is a former member of the Charles Manson Family. Manson Blog Proves that Tenerelli Was Not a Gypsy Joker! That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. Mrs. Kasabian said after she saw Frykowsky killed, she thought of Manson and her daughter, Tanya, now 2 1/2. I don't read her responding, "no, its ok I'll testify anyway". But neither emerged in a vacuum. Overlooking the fact that Atkins sold him out pretty fast and Leslie lined up right behind her to do the same by puttin' on the crazy brainwashed act with Marvin Partwhich Tex actually did to, although failed.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex Watson. Incidentally, it has been well established {by Bugliosi, in his book, well after the trials when there was nothing to gain} that it was Gary Fleishman that pushed for immunity, not Linda Kasabian. look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. It's doubtful she would have gotten a California license simply because she had no permanent address and moved around a lot, even from state to state. I don't remember did she show a license or maybe she didn't even have one to show? When he meets up with or has contact with Pat, she waives extradition, even though she's told Claude Brown she's scared of Manson finding & killing her. WELL, WELL, there it is folks - the PROOF - the spell of Charlie Manson's "hypnotic" POWER lasts FOREVER, or at least for a few years, depending upon how strongly you got zapped.Thanks Dreath,BTW: the Defense $$$ got had by Daye Shinn. And even during that phase, they tried to paint her as the mastermind, but no one even attempted to say she killed anyone. Maybe some of you can pound beers everyday and do your bowls and never have a bad thought. Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. It's not a fair or valuable trait to have.we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness standThat makes good sense and allows for nuances. Goddamn I am tripping back to like 1998. I'd also add that having observed some of the workers over an 8 year period, some of them really should not have been in that line of work. Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. And I find it hard to believe that Bugliosi was so stupid as to not check either, knowing that his case would be seriously compromised if it came out that LK had no valid licence.Incidentally, it was Bugliosi and Bugliosi alone that speculated that the the only reason Linda was along both those nights was because she was the only one left with a valid driving licence, being that Mary was in the clink. Manson Mythos saidHere is a fact: Krenwinkel never said the motive was Helter SkelterShe definitely believed in it though. So WHY was Bugliosi and or the DA so obsessed with getting Charles Manson instead ? St Circumstance saidand then left her child with the people who she knew committed themWhile this is generally taken as evidence of her total unfitness as a parent, for me it's more significant that she left her kid with a group whose child rearing methods she did not like than the fact that they had murdered. Mind you, what she told Marvin Part was nuclear ! Not only that, they all happened to be dramatic and under the surfaces lurks alternative and more reasonable possibilities.For example: Bugliosi had a problem. When you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murder depending on when). I am quite sure that the answer to number 4 is Helter Skelter Mr. H.I an not sure that was the real reason Charlie instigated the murders -but that is the reason Linda,Tex,Katie,Leslie and Susan went and committed them.They have all been saying so for many years.We can try to figure it out ourselves. Damn that clock radio. I am unclear what you mean by the 'got in Parent's car' issue. But telling Charlie "You drive" and "I'm not you Charlie" was OK? One defense attorney after the next, tried unsuccessfully to punch holes through her testimony. I'll stop now. I would say roughly around midnight. So shove it up your ass. But Pat's "Rise" and "Death to pigs" is arguably the Family's calling card and one of the main pointers to Charlie. Add steady hard drugs and food deprivation= a group of absolute savagesDon't waste your tears for Linda and Leslie. Atkins herself made that point in "The Myth" Furthermore, Charlie was never charged with attempted murder for any of the other incidents on LaBianca night. Replace something detrimental to his case with something beneficial. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. I know that "the human side" is used to denote the lean towards goodness, softness, something of redeeming value. As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. Many people came into the family and many left. Linda on the other hand, understood it on a level but it hadn't taken a major grip on her consciousness. or is that just my imaginationrunning away with me. And to ziggy, Lynne penny and the rest you are welcome and thank you your comments mean a lot and inspire me. In 1968, the couple's first daughter Tanya was born. Linda got her justice in another manner that's all lolThe real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their families. lol your insight is interesting reading.. document.write(part3 + '');
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